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accounts, it has enormous impact on the ordinary citizen. >> louise shelley our guest on after words sunday night p.m. eastern on c-span 2's book tv. >> next a discussion about the future of electric vehicles. ride-sharing apps and the effective new amazon offices in new york and northern virginia. this is from a series on infrastructure hosted by the atlantic with politicians, business leaders and researchers. it's just over three hours. >> executive director of business development patrick garrigan. the director of business development here at at laboratoriic live, it is my pleasure to welcome you all. to the atlantic infrastructure and transportation summits.
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i do want to thank you for being here this morning. it is a solemn day in washington, d.c. and across the country as eyes turn towards the procession at the national cathedral where george herbert p walker bush will be remembered. today is a national day of mourning, and it's a chance for us to reflect on president bush's legacy. we hope that the spirit of our event today and which we'll ask tough questions about the challenges facing our society. ourle roads, our critical infrastructure, and the people whose lives hang in the balance, is consistent with the broader themes of today. service, and civic responsibility. as a frame for the conversation, last year the american society of civil engineers gave america's infrastructure a d-plus grade barely a passing mark. from our roadways to our waterways from the electric grid to gridlocked traffic the systems in place to fuel and
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facility our everyday lives is in dire need of updates. today we'll dive in. you'll hear from federal, congressional, and local decision makers. ceo, and subject matter experts will talk to companies looking to bring street-level change on a global scale. and we'll scrutinize the subjects that are affecting our own lives from baltimore's public transit, to amazon hqt and crystal city. i'd like to thank the underwriter for making today possible. before we get going please silence your cell phones but don't put them away. you can tweet us@atlanticalive, and the hashtag is #atlanticfixit. on whatever social media you happen to be on. to discuss the infrastructure and transportation story it is our pleasure to within normal limits to stage cathryn pew, and
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the washington editor at large, steve clements. >> thank you patrick. mayor pew thank you for joining us.. i am your latest follower on twitter, as of about 15 seconds ago and you have this tweet which i want to read. we are dedicated to transforming communities that have been underinvested in for decades. it's not what the city will look like in two or three years it's what it's going to look like for our children. which is very much the topic of today's forum. i'm interested in what your dashboard looks like when you're looking ahead and thinking where can you as mayor, with your allies, make a difference in any substantial way with the baltimore infrastructure scene? >> so let me begin by saying we've had some really horrific
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problems over the last two years that i've been mayor. when i think about streets collapsing, and the csx railroad that runs through the city and a wall collapsed on 26th street, and then when i think about heavy rains and flooding, floating down through the middle of streets, and people feeling like they're almost living underwater i said you know this really begs the question when are we going to fix and pay attention to the infrastructure of our city? and i have to say this to you that i was in a conference almost a decade ago, and i talked -- it was a transportation conference, and we were talking about the needs of america which i think was something like $3 trillion to fix the infrastructure of our country. that was over ten years ago. and bridges and i said so how are we relaying the information, and someone w said we have a two and a half minute video. so2. my response was here's how
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simple we should bee communicating to america about the seriousness of the bridge problem we have in your country because we have one in our country that will cost $150 million, two and a half minutes america's attention span is not that long. the commercial should be car coming -- bridge collapses, car falls in, this could be you, america, fix your bridges. it's that simple. so for me it was so how do you go about the business of fixing the infrastructure of your saturday. when i became mayor one of the deals that was on my desk was to sell off garages in our city. we could get a quick infusion of our capital. i read the history of of our ci. in 1972 we sold off the airport, frieption airport for $36 million, can you imagine if we leased and maintained ownership what that would mean today. so i said i'm not selling
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garages. so i i read the book, it was talking about how cities should look at its own city and look at the capital projects as investment opportunities. and so i didn't sell the garages but i did lease them to a state agency that 1re69s in cities and was able to raise $80 million, pay off all the debt on the garages and created a investment fund of $52 million, and already another 20 million has come into the fund, and my goal is to raise $200 million every year for five years to invest in our neighborhoods. >> host: when you think about that, and you're finding and identifying these unique channels of investment capital to bring in. one ofap the questions that i kw you've been looking at the neighborhoods that have been neglected. the atlantic you may know. we did an article on the 20-year
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life expectancy disparity between different parts of baltimore which was a staggering reality. how can you as you think about mayor use the infrastructure choices to bring the soul of an inclusive soul back to a city when i've talked to anthony fox, many other mayors out there that said so many infrastructure structures of the past brought a bias, a bigotry, a division in communities didn't bring them together. so how do you undo the bad stuff and promote the right stuff? >> so if you come to baltimore would see cranes up all over the place. especially in the downtown areas and the cantons and federal hills because it is one of the top cities that millennials want to move into. if you migrate out to some of the outer neighborhoods like park heights or sand town you don't see the same cranes. you do have strengths. you have jude hill park where you have the pinnacle racetrack,
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and all of these parks and waterways and so there are opportunities for investment, it is a way to look at those areas and say how do you build off the hostrength of what can others -- what others consider to be weakness. o we get slots impact money in the park heights carter even though slots don't exist there. it is an area that has a horrific number of boarded up houses. we've already torn down something like 60 acres of boarded up houses in that community. no library exists in that area so we're building a new library in that area. we put out 17rfp's, and we've had double responses to every one of them because we've createdd our own investment fund and we've identified based on some of the strengths we brought back in my last two years in the senate $1.2 billion to build new schools in the city, which again were in some of these depressed neighborhoods which gave us an opportunity to look at the neighborhoods where boarded up
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houses were and say how do we tract investment to this area? one of the things we were able to do is lay the foundation, brand new school, elementary middle school radirectly across the street from boarded up houses. we laidhe the foundation our city's housing department, and then we're able to attract investors and then provided grant money to repair the homes and other folks living in the neighborhood to repair. people need to see change. where i'm focused is on the carter's of the city that are visible park heights a very visible corridor leading into jude heights very visible, and looking at monroe, and north avenue from affiliaten to milton how do you brick that investment and if you are coming to see the kind would of investment taking place and my goal is to link the communities and again to continue to reduce the bordered up houses in the city. >> host: let me read another tweet you had out there about
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president bush. you said president bush represented a period in our political like when differences in opinion did not result in acrimony and division. his life of public service was filled with deep love for our country and a desire to make a positive difference. that brings me to your relationship with governor hogan. >> it is going quite well. we had a recent election and people know i am a democrat, and so i act like all democrats do, but i do understand the relationship and the importancy of what folks don't remember -- some people don't know i was a majority of the leader of maryland. and president milton would say i worked with democrats, republicans, and a my best friend in the accept happens to be the harbor county executive. we sat on the same committees together, and it is how you develop the compromises and work together regardless of party. >> host: it's a positive story
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not an acrimonious story. >> i think it was a positive story. he you used me in his ad. >> host: do you think the governor is underserving baltimore in the way he looked at transportation lines in the montgomery county versus some of the lines you think need to be developed. >> there's no question in mine mind the red line was a real issue in my city. he camee in and sent the $900 million back to washington, d.c. vld have stimulated the investment needed to build the redline. i think part of that issue was what was the abc plan. and i think we only had aax plan. there should be a b and c plan. there wasn't total agreement in terms of the red line. when you think about the infrastructure and the transportation needs of baltimore, a rapid transit system is absolutely essentially
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for the citizen of baltimore. >> host: i don't know if you read mic cornet's book. it's about the -- mick is a former mayor of oklahoma slt. just ran on the gop side lost the the race. he basically said america's mega cities are getting smaller, and the mid-level cities which baltimore is, are becoming more dynamic, they'reom growing. i'm intriegd i did not know about millennials finding baltimore -- but the question is i'm interested in how you see the secret sought of baltimore. in oklahoma city he's looking at walk about and other dimensions here. what are the things you think are the secret sauce of baltimore that makes it hip and cool. >> i think michelle, director of transportation would say part of it is the 125 miles of bike lanes in our city.
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the other thing is making it a walkable city, and more accessible to transportation. and also more accessible to some of the communities in the city. that's why they like living in our downtown communities or tomid-town communities because they're accessible. those 125 miles of bike lanes the 55-year-old's plus don't find as happening as others do, i was talking to one of my staff people here with me, and he says you know we should take the bike lines and use them for skate boarders, and power walkers, i said we should use them for the wheelchair riders as well, until wewe get people acclimated to people thinking this is just another mode of transportation. let's have some bike races and bike lane t running. i think that's what really enhances urban cities because people want to be near transportation. they want to be near entertainment, and near -- they want to be able to walk to the
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grocery store and get to all their needs quickly. when you think about b the infrastructure, and i'm not talking about the physical infrastructure, i'm talking about the other things that surround the city, hospitals, colleges, and universities, and one of thees things the baltimoe doesn't get promoted as is college and university town. baltimore city community college is free in our city. but johns hopkins has a $1.9 billion investment by bloomberg to make sure young people who come to that university don't leave in debt. morgan state university, another $5 million endowment for young people to go to college. we're also going to become, we call the cybersecurity of the east coast because where we're located and what's happening at port covingten with the 13 cybersecurity companies that already moved there. that's why the happen over street bridge is important to us. that's $150 million investment because it's between port
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covingten and 95 which will enhance. >> host: is john hopkins a good partner for you? >> yes it is. >> we did a form in baltimore, had faculty members from john hopkins who were saying themselves they were failing and doing some of the things they should do in outreach in the community. being -- that it's a reservoir of excellence but they shouldn't have done as much as they should. that's from them and i'm interested in whether you see they've been doing -- >> they've been an excellent partner for me. i tell people this is all in. everybody can do more, i can tell you between bloomberg and john hopkins and their interactions with me as mayor. i'm going into a committee called the greater baltimore committee. thee executive committee called me in and wanted to have a conversation about crime and how i needed to be focused and what i needed to be doing, and how i needed to bei doing it. and i need to get on it and get
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on it now. onlet's begin our conversation d let's see how we begin. i said why don't i tell you where we begin. my ask was for $10 million. john hopkins put the first .2 million, and bg & e the other. and i had 10 million by the end of the week. they have been a great partner. >> host: you had a shared bike program, i understand the plug has been pulled on that. what is that story? can you get scooters and all of that to come in? i'm a -- shared by user in dc, if i'm traveling around the world and they have it i try to ride others bikes. what are the economics of that? i know if i get on the bus taxpayers are paying for every
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bus ride. are taxpayers paying for every bike ride? >> with the bird and scooter we're earning some money for it. our department of transportation negotiate would them and we're earning money off of bird -- >> host: how is the scooter business? >> swish, swish, swish all over the city. the thing we love is it's not in the downtowns area. i was coming out of my street and boom, a bird on the corner because we have the gps tracking. >> host: do you drive birds? >> is there video of this. >> there is video of me trying this. on the day of election they told me i won, and bad news we need your keys. really? but i've ridden the bird and scooter. i have to ask will you let me do
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mato but i've seen them in low income neighborhoods, and young people on them. we did have an incident once where you could pick them up, and i think children are getting it now. these things have to be motorized and you need the credit card. i remember stopping a 14-year-old he had picked one up, and i rolled down the window and said where are you knowing and, he looked at me and said i'm taking it back right now. i said take it back now. he laid it back down. that is really catching on. again i think the bike lanes will be helpful to those scootering, and birding all over the city. >> host: so about the shared bike program. >> the shared bike program kind of fell apart but i think one of our companies either bird, is bringing shared biking back to baltimore. we're working on that. >> host: that's great. >> we'll be able to bike around
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the city. >> host: i hope they do. before we go to the audience with you i want to come back to this thing because richard has written about the creative class, chawps to the city, and when you think about infrastructure choices and nddecisions where freeways go ad i think about the future of mobility, i'm interested ght soul of a city, and how do you make a soul of a city healthy? just as best you can in the two or three things you can push how can you make the soul of baltimore much healthier via the infrastructure choices you have than it has been? >> i think the electric cars are important. we've seen the electric car stations now, i have one on the way home right at drew hill park, and every time i go by there there are 3-4 cars being filled up there. >> host: you have enough of the charging stations.
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>> we do. they are in convenient locations they're in parks, and right outside of city hall. they're in garages, and so i think that's part of the -- the -- of america is important, and we feel like that, the bike lanes, the 125-mile bike lanes we'll be building, and making walking more accessiblable, and transportation more accessible, we have an issue around that last mile to companies and corporation in our surroundings jurisdictions which is why i'm grateful for the partnerships that i'm having with our newly elected county executives, i've hosted them all, but i did host them at my house after the election, and took them all to the football game, and go ravens. i've got great partnerships and real good relationship of course in the house and the senate as well. >> host: fascinating. let me go to all of you, questions and comments from the
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floor? >> guest: does the city of baltimore have a pedestrian plan. >> yes we do we have a complete streets plan. total complete streets plan. >> host: what does that mean. >> that means making the city available for walkers, bikers, everybody. looking at all of the streets. we have a 5-year plan in terms of how we lay out our street. i was teasing the other day. we've gone from horse and carriages to cars and bikes and walkers, and everyone. and so people who live inner city neighborhoods and communities and in downtown want to be able to be move around a city in a very completely and -- way. and we're trying to make it as easy as possible. so we're looking at every street make it moreto accessible to pucontestrians. >> is there a city out there you look at one that's wrestled with
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a lot of the problems you're dealing with that you thought got it right. that you're taking some of the practices you had and using -- i hate to say it but is there a city you're envious of? >> no, i'm part of 36 cities around the world. part of the bloomberg city team and i think we were the first class of mayors from around the country that got to share different ideas and things that we're doing, and there are cities i think that are doing it really well. i think denver, i think denver was one of the first cities i went to where i saw the circular, and you could jump on -- this was a democratic convention 8-12 years ago. we do have the circular in baltimore now. and now what we're trying to do with the circular, because we have a network of circular, you have john hopkins university, and the colleges, with
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circulars, we ought to create a system that works for everybody and will probably end up less costly if we all work together. we're having meetings about that as well. >> host: other questions? >> guest: i was wondering if you could comment a little bit on the connections between infrastructure and transportation and workforts development, baltimore like lots of cities has challenges as it relates to income disparities across race. what's unique about baltimore and some of the things that you're leading that really helps to leverage infrastructure, investment to close the gaps in workforce and income. . . the jobs are there. we are becoming a cybersecurity city of the east coast. health care field, colleges,
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universities the question becomes -- how are you retooling the workforce? how are you educating young . >> and when we did that made college three they immediately said if you finish two years there then you can come here for free so education isn't an issue by preparing early ages is important to. i said early in my administration we are people out there who just cannot figure out how to move through the workforce.oror so the lottery system was the first one to do it every day somebody walks in and says
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look we have jobs. because we have 10000 individuals coming back and those congressmen are coming from the conversation. so what do we need to do to make sure they go for where they need to go? with the jobs fair coming out of high school we have the office of employment development at 9000. we are working to get that done but with drug addiction, crime,
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addiction, crime, and this is our responsibility. . >> i have spent a lot of time in baltimore actually. so i am hopeful. you will not fix all the problems. and then what is that to turn that around crack. >> to reduce the violence. in every single category we are trending down. and to bring in a new police chief with community engagement in policing is important rebuilding the infrastructure that has been under investigation for decades going from cradle to
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college all of that is a priority public safety and great education. >> ladies and gentlemen, baltimore and mayor thank you so much. [applause] . >> good morningg everyone. you came to your job from the energy department lastt year with some unusual background
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that you have spent decades in the power industry. >> that's true i spent nearly 20 years on the operational side for management for new york city and then with the national grid to be responsible for the entire united states from the asset management side so for almost 30 years. >> you are uniquely positioned so how reliable the my grade would you give it crack. >> from the reliability perspective it is actually 99.99 percent reliable that is not the issue it is the resiliency.
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so the resiliency is the question of what challenges us today that has to do with the fact that over the last two decades and regulation the grid hasas changed very fuel secure base to a portfolio that has significant reliance on other infrastructure. so 6 percent of the generation on the electrical side came from the gas pipelines. which means actually lose 35 percent of my generation capacity so we are working hard to understand if i lose
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pipelines pennsylvania maryland operator if we lose that pipeline then we lose several generators and that regional area so we try to figure out how to protect those pipelines and basically what it boils down to is there is a tendency that has created more critical infrastructure in the united states to protect from cyberand physical attacks. >> so do give it be a crack. >> but how do you explain from the recent report to say those
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that are operating beyond your design? or concerns with congestion and they cannot be taken out of service to perform maintenance? is that on target pre- next. >> that is why there are civil engineers. [laughter] they don't know what were talking about. >> exactly. [laughter]i that transmission system is to a secondsi contingency design so youy. can run the system at full capacity i'm not sure where they got the data from but that's generally how the transmissiontr system i would be more concerned that if i took that against the pipeline for whatever reason that would have deleterious effects
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mainly because of the generation of the united states but i can pick out virtually any line in the united states to run the system at full capacity. >> what about issue they raise about demand how do we meet that? . >> each company goes through a planning criteria so when a plan that transmission system and has gotten a little more complicated of those significant numbers from the transmission and of those that own distribution but fundamentally to go through analysis every year picking
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out two pieces of equipment to every other major component to see where things could be overloade overloaded. where that shows up that puts capital into the system so each does that also with the regional transmission operators to ensure that that capacity can do that as well so the process works very well there's a lot of companies that are out there and using those utilities that serve us and the cooperatives as well in the department of energy actually has 2 million square
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miles yet to take the hydro system and transmit over 31 states. >> when you started last year the first place you went way is puerto rico so it took more than 11yo months. >> they are working through the office of electricity and to that end we bill the model with a traditional use and we are in the process right now to go to are realtime model and then we ship that last week
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and then on their system with regard to what type of generation on the grid and for those that are timed out that need to be replaced. >> so if there is a problem it tends to cascade? . >> that isn't the reason theyy have blackouts. we have solved this problem for them is the way the grid was designed was appropriate for where the load existed at thead time. due to maintenance and capital restrictions, they lost the generation in the san juan area in that northeast area is 70 percent of the load
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unfortunately today the load is in the southern part so 50 miles of transmission lines that is the problem with the transit on - - the transmission line? . >> but generally you put your generation electrical engineering one oh one c would have 70 percent of generation and san juan so there are two areas that they did it has been off-line with those structural issues. may have 400 megawatts of generation so you have to rely on the transmission system and
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that's the problem that we had. so two weeks after the hurricane hit and those that were intact with a transmission line had very little problems on the west side of the island but the problem is we start to transmit power over long distances you have the loss that magnifies the problem and i have never seen an organization who acted as quickly as the army corps did.
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we put 225 make a lot generators to magnetize the entire transmission system and restoring that. we put together a phase i approach i believe based on the analysis of generation to stabilize the island with that power flow issue and probably to drive the cost down about 40 percent which is a huge economic driver. >>host: what about the national climate assessment? it is more severe storms like
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maria or the storm surge with higher temperatures and in the river what are your thoughts? . >> so we look at every hazard and incorporate that into the grid and we are very fortunate that we have two organizations in the energy sector one is the electricity sector the other is oil and natural gas and that membership of 30 ceos of a-t tpa and so we work very closely to ensure
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that to pick the best practices that everybody is aware of them. look at resiliency that cyberphysical risk like the fires in california and more broadly the industry to solve the problems through those capabilities. >> i want to ask about cyber you said those threats increase with sophistication. >> that's a great question. this is a focus of the president and rick perry with
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his leadership we stood up the organization and split that out and karen evans is the assistant secretary for that so have a complete focus for cybersecurity so we take this threat very seriously that is where we are the most focused and will continue to work with our partners of the industry as well as the intelligence community to have the national nuclear security administration and through that office we are very much focused to solve the problem not only on the electric side
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that natural gas side because it has really declined. >> with renewables on the syste system? . >> they have really made tremendous progress on the megawatt scale. >> let's put the graphic while you talk. >> we believe we are looking for renewables from a strategic standpoint with a great opportunity from a national security perspective to provide power where fossil
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or nuclear may not be available based on .upply-chain >> is that an increase of 17 percent? . >> absolutely. at the end of the day we look at this from all of the above approach any generation is good generation. from national security and the supply chain that provides whatevers it will be and those that run hundreds of miles so if i have a solar wind farm that's great because that
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doesn't need to have the supply chain. about where we struggle at a meeting in south carolina two weeks ago the integration of renewable standards we struggle on the protection of the system as we integrate like solar so it is 100 year technology. and these are very different than in the past. and where they are struggling with those protection schemes it is something we are looked - - working on the next
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generation with more and more renewables. because they have a lot of spacepa to expand that system of the portfolio. >> you mentioned threat factors. and those that are triggered by power lines? how do they deal with a priorit priority? . >> that is true so we talked and from that perspective
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every power light of the united states that's just the way the system is. it could have a covering but it is uninsulated. and through that technology that has a higher capability to do sensing with that technology on the market 15 times 5 a second i was just down at the lab where this technology is running right now it is about 1 million times a second that will allow west to see a lesser phenomenon we could see the change in the distance so we
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are working with them right now to have plans to put them in their system but they are available butly given the risk we will work to get it into their system to corrupt that capability. >> thank you for your terrific questions. [applause] . >> hello.
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. >> so i want to pretend i have larry kudlow will be economic advisor has said that 7500-dollar tax credit of the electrical vehicle space will go away so be larry kudlow to tell us. >> larry. larry. larry. the world is moving to that future two.5 million cars on the road by 2022. the global car companies have more than $100 billion they are investing to develop so this is a perfect way to be
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electrified transportation and we see that very effective policy instrument which will improve the environment and the economy. >> is that personal use or mass transit? where do you have the. biggest footprint right now? . >> they think of personal use of the biggest charging network in the country. and now one third of our
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network and it is a rideshare. that is fascinating. but the forecast for 25 percent will be through rideshare. and we hadba the deals when they graduated we said you go take a car but then they sold them living in the urban area we don't want to own the car so it is fascinating so transportation is changing.
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so from what we saw was the mayor of baltimore with the firstnt panel with the scooters one - - scooter so it is a fun and interesting time to put all of these things together. >>. >> but how long does it take it to charge? . >> so he has the good hook up but those that have charging stations throughout the city. >> and as a visionary.
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>> fees that they were slow charging stations. and we need to make sure that it is an item to the sales. you could either do any old-fashioned outlet or with the dryer with the overnight charge of five hours if in the grocery store why not charge it quickly? we have fast charging outlets all over so that combination of solutions. >> who is the villain in your
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story? for urban areas and who or what gets in your way? i don't mean to sound pollyanna but a 30 year veteran in the energy sector this takes time and the technology uptake. and now they have transformed there are those companies that now.n china right consumers don't know that much.
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to make it easier for the ride andd so britain would ever go back. it is completely comfortable. . >> are they a friend or foe? . >> friend. as a visionary with the zero program where they sell the bolts. to rideshare drivers they have to charge less because every minute they're not driving they are not earning a living.
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then to absolutely believe and that is their autonomous vehicle. . >> as a secretary for energy of the obama administration and then with energy and electricity and i'm interested in how you see that with that acquiescence to what you arees doing. so to ignore the federal government it is useless you don't need to. work with state governors are renewables. is at the right message? .
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>> not to say it's not important is incredibly important but that benefits the federal government to have that ecosystem are significant i was at the department of energy recovery act and we can make investments in research and create policy settings and in federal policymakers. it's a state and local government so it is a possibility that they have no structure. >> we talk a lot about and to retrofit cities.
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and with the new next infrastructure? and it is really interesting. and where it would be needed by individual drivers. and with delivery services. and that word is electrifying if they need convenient and reliable charging stations that is the essential ingredient. >> what is the cost for the infrastructure? . >> if you are in tulsa oklahoma i have no idea but not a red state area have but
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to client diversify. and what do you think is the commitment? spinning switching from oklahoma to virginia that is a real world example we have a private partner public partnership we arepa building out in no way they came from that diesel gate settlement some of it comes from us. and this was a beautiful thing. and we need to have enough
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charging to have revenues exceed our cost. we want to skate ahead. and if this is watching too much in before they all go around there road. and there could be some financial support to do that. . >> i am interested in what type of steps because people look at the playground of the rich they have money or resources. and so how do you create the on-ramp from the level? .
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>> and then and then we had an announcement that will be available early next year and that would be up on the --dash we have partnerships with nissan and bmw. and providers and we work with them and those on the american roads right now and then to spread that message to create more comfort. in 2018 some of the best marketing channels and then to
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accelerate. >> so an international question with the energy infrastructure competition talking about jeff bingaman in the 19 nineties and then working with sandia national security research to put it into the facilities that china. and now looking at innovation ingy china where do we stack up?
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and then to talk about infrastructure to the us and how does that compare to shanghai t today or south korea and then to have shared resources and i'm just run wondering does united states need to feel that pressure it's falling behind we may not realize? . >> yes. harkening back to the department of energy at the beginning of the first obama administration there was a sense that the chinese were very good copiers not necessarily innovating but utthat has changed the investment has been substantial. and to have such great capability and large markets
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to pioneer to ramp up so shame on us. and then to significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions and we need to grab every piece of technology that we can we are part of that as global citizens. >> thank you for telling us about your. car. so what is the status of charging stations in. europe? . >> in europe it is more fragmented there are lots of individual operators but canada is in between. we are excited for the next
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market which appears to be in canadada. >> hello. thank you for your contribution contributions. >> support the fuel economy standards. that is a macro driver that we use to put on appliance efficiencycy standards it is incredibly important and then if there will be an infrastructure bill maketr sure the infrastructure support is part of that. if we don't put it against all .inds of transportation than is not a vital ingredient.
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>> along those lines i interviewed secretary perry and he made a funny comment where are you on fuel standardsli as people over a period of time moved to texas and emissions went down that shows the efficiency we are achieving did you get in otrouble with president john for succeeding so well? he did not like that. but it raises the interesting question whether doe is a partner but as you look at it today with the white house noise that really isn't taking doe off of the objectives with stable diversified energy that
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is helping on climate or are we at the inflection point with the risks going in a very different direction ory real? . >> two things are happening. number one the market has moved it is now longer the most cost-effective thing to do. that giant business moving ahead with a d carbonized future so when you have that momentum it is critically important. with the department of energy congress continues to fund a cleaner economy. congress keeps investing in resources. how about that? . >> chief executive officer. thank you very much. [applause]
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. >> so they sold the. [laughter] so sharing the road can you share the road? so then the average driver? . >> i will jump right in
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between the folks on the panel that looking at how the curbside is designed so i think what you'll see is a reconsideration of how we allocate space and the goal and the agenda with that physical infrastructure that is there, this is the market demand of what it should be but the actual demand of what is increasing shared mobility your company's or other modes of mobility.
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>> it isn't a zero-sum game it isn't just scooters it's a mixture of all of that. it would require us to work together as well as the public sector and the most equitable and that physical infrastructure will not change it in the meantime to allow people the best transportation options as possible. >> and one year ago scooters were not even part of the conversation it's funny when i walk in the building but
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that's the thing that cities have really been embracing this so talk about the curb space but there is very much by developing infrastructure appropriately to get things off the sidewalk and have a strong infrastructure. so we have scooters and how does that work together? it requires us to all work together but at the same time from the individual perspectives from the sidewalks and to make sure they can fear through the road. >> so to have safe and convenient access.
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how do you see the current battle? . >> it is an exciting time it forces us to look and it was a zero-sum game because but it forces us to look at how we allocate space but that infrastructure is reflective and mostly the parking and then to enforce the conversation because there is room for scooters but it's not putting them on the sidewalk or the back lanes and to have more of the right-of-way and
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to accommodate other modes for those occupancy vehicles. >> it gets them out of their cars but it's not just that but the allocation of space and hour but we want to have our future. >> it is not a zero-sum game there are no winners or losers. >> but people will have trade-offs. and the losers can win but we have to be on theab best for vehicle use whether autonomous. >> and when you bring up the values like the subsidies it is safety and shared mobility or transit and then people
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live single occupancy person to take that list of priorities it is the exact opposite there is a bunch of parking and you might have a bus lane you make a hit crossing thess street. it is a slip that has to happen. >> and to redesign where it is so vitally important. >> then they talk about scooters or bikes there is a ship that has to take place to your point how do we get some of those cars off the road to the cars being gone and focusing on other pieces of transportation? .
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>> it's holiday season so drivers are everywhere. but what are you doing differently with the challenges you are facing? . >> this model to be deployed in germany it is holiday season it essentially doubled and is growing year over year at 15 percent so that demand for services is growing and it's harder to get around cities so for at least i wouldn't characterize it as a holiday solution but there are
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30 projects all over the world and to service their customers and more air quality driven it is congestion driven or lane blockage and you don't want to have a truck in a bike lane. everything has different goals. maybe we could put a stamp on it to say this is just as good as a truck with the vibration through the cities and just what we could do different to the holiday season to have more impactful innovation and
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how it has optimize the network so ups runs a very integrateded consolidated network we are trying to move a great amount of stuff like shared mobility and how e-commerce operates to reduce personal vehicle trips but target comes to us. but there is another fitch one - - another feature then you just get a burrito delivered to you so it didn't replace anything. so i think the more impactful technology how do you drive that scale to run that integrated network?
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. >> so back in march when they started to pop up and we saw a surge of interest - - injuries were people were actually dying so what does it take to keep your passengers safe this time of year when passengers are distracted? . ld>> i wouldn't characterize it as dropping scooters but my competitors focus on going into a market but we always look to strategically partner with cities every step of the way so before we go into the market we lay the groundwork to work with the stakeholders in the cities whether the mayor's office or dot to talk about what we're doing and how engage and also
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with regulations and those days of giving the middle finger to government is over so really need to work with them to be a partner. we very much look at the cities as partners not just a rogue government. we've got to work together. on the safety friend, we are obsessed with safety we have prided ourselves to be an industry leader i mean free helmets is a great start but that isn't all safety that's what we focused on the use of protection more money for infrastructure where scooters go is where bikes should be
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going in the bike lane scooters and bikes should be living harmoniously. but what's interesting on the safety point and there is a lot of debate but the data that we see across industry show scooters are safer than bikes now you hear more about scooters in the paper it is the hot new thing if there is an accident you hear about it that when's the last time you looked online and you ever heard of bike injury? the data is showing the opposite. higher utilization rate rates, sometimes six or seven or eight times greater. we very much think this is
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revolutionizing micro- mobility and safety is the number one issue because one death is too many and the other key point is not actually the people on the scooter. >> like distracted drivers? . >> one case somebody ran a red light. a case in cleveland a woman was killed by a driver under the influence. not the act on the scooter about what happened in a situation. so we see they are very safe. yes there are accidents there are potholes. it is like any other mode of transportation but what we do to ensure that we have policies in place. >> recently acquiring the new york-based company and so now
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what's going on? . >> the mission is to improve through sanitation it is providing multiple options not just rideshare or bikes but also scooters also integration with transit watching several cities in the very near future integration not only can you choose rideshare and the scooter option but how it gets to your location and to me that shows how we are providing options and from an operations perspective when we talk partners whether hospitals are universities and they say what can you do for us to increase the congestion
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that we have on campus you say well we have rideshare options and scooters so then put those options to see the customer is the best solution going forward we are truly excited i think every month or every quarter was more exciting than theor last and launching scooters not just in the district. >> we left it hanging in the air about transportation what is it? . y >> i don't know. i think what if you think about one year ago today who would have thought we would have gse's coming that we eventually open ourselves up to see how you feel about
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scooters to accommodate very immobile people and the work that we do working with mobility challenges. . . . . last year, we killed about 6000 people who are walking on the streets. we killed 6000 people before. only gone up every year. that's while traffic fatalities have gone down. that's while walking rates are
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stagnant. even though people are going up, you vehicle miles are going up, walking our thing. we are killing more walkers and. distracted walkers and so many people walking. >> it's not about, i think we focus a lot on what we call, we talk aal lot about this, victim blaming and looking at -- dangerous by design, this is a research-based the report, the structure. that's what we are talking about overall. it doesn't support other modes. it was designed, that way we designed "was we took the principles from highway. we get high-speed, high volumes. what that does is it doesn't matter whether we talk about scooters or other boards, flying tricycles. we don't know. regardless, until we address the
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way we plan design further infrastructure, we are not setting up for the future. i think that's their approach, i assume that with innovation and the rate of change, we will have mobility options that make it possible, the boomers are huge market. someone out there right now is thinking about a way to get them around in a way that's new so they can transit, provide, they can have that. we need to be ready from a policy perspective to support that work we are putting them on dangerous roads. >> before we go to questions, i wanted to ask you, kind of run across the panel, would you see out of this? vehicles, i know you are looking at that. without help? >> i think this is an element certainly of technology
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innovation and what will drive change. congestion. i think things like vehicles, drones, to get a ton of hype. then going back to network planning, there are some unsexy, not super, probably things that are very impactful. especially containerization, the ability to move things really efficiently between and he will supply chain from overseas through a port, through a hub, back to the city. interconnected way. i think that type of innovation is what's going to enable consolidation, movement of it into and out of cities. i go back to sort of the technology. a drone, whatever it is.
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it's not going to solve it without that partnership and collaboration on the cities. if philosophical change when it comes to you accommodate different modes? how do you have the policies underlying the infrastructure if you will, to actually change the behavior you see on a daily basis and shift -- the direction of things, you are moving people, not just vehicles. i think that's the fundamental thing that has to happen. >> before questions, what was the think it about this? especially right now, right sharing companies are increasing traffic. >> debatable. our goal has has been to improve people's lives through transportation. the only way to do that is to be checked congestion. i don't think that right sure companies are solely to blame
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for congestion that people are experiencing. how many people wrote this car to the event? fewer the number. that proves my. in most rooms when i asked, the large majority raised her hands. i used to work in pennsylvania next to the white house and i would subsidize on my employer, $300 a month to park my car. it doesn't help the situation. it incentivizes me to take my car. i think we had to figure out, not just rideshare companies but also talk to private companies. this is an enterprise play as well. if we can convince them to get on board, it's a larger massive way. >> good questions. we have one here.e. >> the reason i drove had to drop off my wife and my son. my question is about a lot of
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technology innovations around rideshare. individual persons, how about familydu innovations? >> i think the family -- besides providing transportation as a service, the idea of shared rights is a big thing. my wife and i, when we commute on the same day together, we often share it right together. we share a ride and philip more of the seats. one of the problems is, providing transportation options for minors. that's something we are currently talking about. i don't think the industry has come up with a good solution for that. i'll get that question more than any other question. how do we get our kids around? that's a big problem. the family situation, i think it's something needs to be looked at.
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we look at individual mobility options. a lot of solutions are current centers. like d.c. were 30% of all households don't own and operate their own cars anyway. people choose individual transportation options and it's working. we see more brighter usage and miles are into the suburbs. we focus more on the issue. >> question that care. >> is a person who walks in this city 5 miles a day and almost every day, almost hit by a bike on the sidewalks, almost hit by a biker or scooter, why don't you put try to prevent them from being on theyo sidewalks? , i give you props for walking 5 miles a day. we have been pushing to get scooters off the sidewalk for almost always. we are trying to decoder sidewalks as i pointed out, we
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educate writers from the beginning not to ride on celebrex. the vast majority of cities you are not supposed to. they shouldn't be doing it anyway. if we hear that there are problems, whether from concerned citizens, policymakers. go directly to direct it.di through community managers, do stuff with an hour up, educate social media, hold events. we are trying to get people off the sidewalk, into the by claims or writing on the side of the road, as i mentioned where bicycles are going. they should be writing on the sidewalks either. that's our perspective. we always constantly look and reiterate and educate people not to do that. >> thank you for letting me have the last word. i think that's great. i think that brings up the challenge that really we talked about this backstage,al but whas one think the city should be doing, we need to again, i'm
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going back to the same talking point, we have to proactively plan for new mobility future in the reason those scooters either is because they don't feel safe somewhere else. how many people have been on a scooter? right, how many people feel comfortable driving in traffic on a scooter? [laughter] i'm a cyclist and i live in the district for my house, to the sea, i'm not always in a protected by claims. we are talking about a mobility future, how do we provide that? i guarantee the scooters are on the sidewalk because they feel like they need to be on the sidewalk because it's the safest place for them to be and we need to again, look at the space we allocate. >> allocation and incentives. there's also enforcement side of
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this as well. i sit on thec. d.c. police foundation. we had a meeting this week with who had somebody dealing with this. hopefully this helps solve this problem. >> i do think it comes with loaded, one of the big issues i think in t biking enforcement ad cars, they take it from a totally different suspects -- when we look at who's adopting scooters, we look at the fact that we are much more likely to come in ice people of color and honestly, my neighborhood, they are young black men on scooters. the first ones profiling, taking over. those best way is through the infrastructure and enforcement is, it comes with its ownts issues. i caution those who look at enforcement is a solution. we could go on and on but we are out of time. thank you audience and thank you steve and tom.
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[applause] >> the energy race, please welcome eric, senior technical advisor at the offices of policy u.s. department of energy. ceo of basf and direct director of battery materials in north america here to lead the conversation, joseph jones. vice president of innovation indications at basf. [applause] >> good morning. i'm glad to be here. we talk about the future of
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mobility, globally and particularly here in the united states. we know there's lots of brilliant minds working on developing the next generation of safe, efficient, reliable energy storage systems. to advance the cause of electoral mobility and clean air. that's one of the topics we want to address today. also, the enduring success of internal combustion engine, set up expectation of equal or even higher performance from electric vehicles in the future. these are a few of the topics i'd like to discuss. i like to jump in. in terms of the adoption rates we've seen so far, 2017, the overall adoption rates for electrified vehicles globally, in one of the half% range still lerelatively low despite the fat that virtually all the major ones have announced real location. new models to come with electric vehicle options. the outlook is still relatively low overall penetration for the
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next several years. perhaps even for the next decade. what is holding peoplee back? >> think of a consumer and choice between an ev commercial vehicle. typically three things you think about that limit their adoption. one is cost, the other is range, anxiety and a third would be targeting issues. the cost side, most of the cost is associated with the batteries. the focus of research and development. i think most common automotive will reach cost in a few years. the range anxiety issue i think is a part a hangover from the first generation. limited range, less of a problem now especially in an urban environment with modern tvs and the nuance will be coming out. finally, we go a lot about charging. charging infrastructure is coming along. for people who own one that
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charges in the home, that's not really an issue. for people taking a long trip, inner-city trip, i can be a challenge. you need to plan that trip carefully. in the longer term, significant ev penetration and coupling of the transportation sector with the electrical grid. in a way that's complicated. we need to think about that and plan for that carefully not only increased demand due to the electric vehicles but also potential benefits in terms of being capable for integrated storage. finally i think to make this sustainable electric vehicle future, we have to do a better job than we currently do not recycling batteries and their components. it's really a very low percentage right now. we have to do better. >> in terms of basf and contributions that bsf is focus on, from a legacy perspective and emissionsns catalyst, rich
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legacy there but more recently terms of advanced materials research for electoral mobility future, will be a separate to this cable? is it realistic that we can expect the majority of cars to be electrified in our lifetime or approaching one 100%? was still very far0000 off? >> providing sustainable solution, that's the core value to bsf. we are the pioneers in providing mobile to the industry. our products since introduction have felt to avoid to release 1 billion-ton into the atmosphere. now we can look to the production on how many cars we will have by 2025. estimates around 1.5 billionro cars will be on the road. we have more stringent emission relations coming up and more for the economy. it needs to be different solutions.
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mobility is in that and what bsf is doing, we are actively doing research and production on active materials. those are the materials that are coded on the battery cell that contains lithium, nickel, cobalt and develop in asi way that they are at the heart of innovation for the batteries because they determinee all, the range, lifetime, cost and we are developing what enables them to increase range of electric car for today. 150 -- 200 miles. 400 rows in the future. we are looking for three charging 60 minutes and obviously going to get the cost down. this we can do by optimizing. when he will see one 100% on the roads, that's a very difficult question.
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if you look what happened in the past, 216,750,000 electric cars. the projection for presented estimates by 25 with 10 million electric cars. 2025, looking at 80 million cars over all. that's really a long way to to have one we try to make this happen as quick as possible. >> i think we've heard some of the challenges. in terms of getting to this imo ability future, clearly no one company, no one entity can solve all the challenges on their own. see the current state of the public, private partnership to address the mobility challenges?
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is there more work to do? >> i think the answer is a resounding yes. this is the area of technology where the solutions that are needed a real technical challenges. i think there's our great interaction between the public and private sector. on the public side, represent relief and fund. is a wide range of activity, fundamental material and joint center for energy storageea research, a lot of programs in the technology programs and the programs and projects there. i think the complement what he said about the campus, there's innovation, side and electro light. we are seeing new chemistries, new materials that incorporate graphite. on the elected side, i think electrolyte side, the most compelling and exciting advance his electrolytes. we can envision the future. i will say how distant that is. it would be in changing in terms of energy density in terms of safety, the flammable electrolyte and really reducing the amount of material used to protect the battery.
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>> clearly in the united states, when it comes to the automotive market, when we think about electoral mobility in particular in many ways, we are trying to catch up with some of the counterparts in this industry. i am thinking china, korea, japan, what will it take for the u.s. to emerge as an innovation leader in the space for the long term? >> that's the question u.s. and u.s. industry is to decide, do we want to be part of this? it's clear by asia and china, europe is picking up quickly because of the co2 relations. that's what we clearly see. what's needed to change, bsf, we are well prepared to serve the industry. the production footprint. we started this on the
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productions in ohio. we just recently announced a member adventure here in the u.s. last month, we announced ourur plans to build productions in europe. there we have a global coverage of this industry and also our research labs are around the globe to respond to it. so what needs to happen here in the u.s., we are providing the technical solutions to address the conserved from the entities of everything. the cost is still a topic. it gets over the current and make it a a direct interest to y such cars. we also need to think about how we can support this industry. there's so much money to be spent from the mining, the users and carmakers they need to invest heavily to make this industry happen. there's nothing wrong with
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putting government policies to get over this. the same thing happens in a missions. there are government policies regulate emissions. why not do the same as e mobility? >> the sound like a matter -- >> i wanted to make appointment the innovation is robust. i talked about the public funding for research but the uptake of that research is incredible. the smallin companies that they supported with innovative, new electric technologies, they are beating down the doors, the battery, beating down the door. there's a demand for improved technology in our area. >> it sounds like it's importa important, working on innovati innovation. as a role for government here.
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ten minutes goes by quick. i would like to thank you for your insight and join me and thinking them. [applause] >> for a new look, welcome professor and director of the national transportation centers the university of maryland as well as the lead for infant trip. leave the conversation, please welcome to list susan. [applause] >> thank you. good morning again. thanks so much for being here for this exciting new app. the project lead words being developed at the university of maryland. is supposed to make us smarter and more efficient travelers.
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how does itt work? >> i'm very glad to be here this morning. we just saw lyft and uber and as we all know, ability is more of a service demand. very often, it's very confusing for an average traveler.e understanding these different old and new options to get around the city. first of all, do we really need some assert engine for services other so that we could start making this connections? the goal is to help individuals, travelers to find smarter travel mode, right choices but also morton portly, at the same time, we have all these different mobility services on the same platform, we use personalized and dynamic incentives. to get them to want to be able
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to try these exciting new options. as a whole, we will be able to leave destin and emissions. that's really made us excited. to be able to actually now have this. >> let's see how it works. i have screenshots of my commute this money. as you can see, the united states capital over to this gallery. can you walk us through what we are seeing? >> many of you probably use google maps or other options. job you get around the city. here inel this, at this point, what's unique about technology, you're looking at a trip plann planner. we have all different kinds, most included in d.c. baltimore area. do people know how many transit providers there are in our region? take a guess, in your heart. more than 90 transit agencies.
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we have a lot of time to get their services and including uber, ridesharing and all kinds of options. walking, biking. you are looking at, i want to plan a trip right now. let's see what happens. for different rights over there, you see we are based on -- we have, we are really pushing it now because we have data about how to get this. models that predict real-time, what is the trouble sign, energy use and emissions for every single user. for every positive out and out there. initially, we show you three options. there is really models there. what's interesting here is, we have a travel behavior model customized for every single user. the longer you use it, we learn
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more about your preferences. then we have customized designs to show you and in this case, if you choose the drive, you will get here in 12 minutes. if you choose viking, 60 minutes longer. as you see there, we would give you a lot more incentive to use transportation modes. the bottom line, ridesharing.. >> walking, 108 points. didn't make the best choice. i got three points. >> the next time you visit, you will start seeing something different. given that you chose not to go that route. constantly learn about your past behavior and try to customize the incentives to make it evenn more. >> you show how much fuel will be used in each trip?
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>> is someone says, to drive, we don't want is to be just a mode choice up. let's be honest, the marty majority are still driving. if you insist on driving for now, that is fine. we may ask to recommend different time to nudge you to travel in the more off-peak hours. >> if i left at 108,t i could have had 15 points. >> we don't want you to -- we don't want you to go out -- maybe later in more incentive for that. >> what can i do with these points? >> that's an awesome question. we are trying to do an echo system for this. we need partners and in this case, we are fortunate that initially, you have transportation and later on, recently, the energy program,
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was a program called transnet. it was a program director for the when he was acting director. they developed technology and later on, what we are doing is partner with state, local agencies as well as private provide incentives. so the way i look at it, it's a long answer but i'll get there. the way i look at this is historically, we've used a lot of supplies, solutions to addressing transportation options. we realize that's not going to get us out of this problem, we view high occupancy links. try to w be able to do right share. with $100 across the nation.
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hov lanes, to get people to ride share. what happened? ridesharing, and the country has decreased from 20% to 7%. we're not saying the solution is not good but hey, let's start thinking of a more serious look. we canwe use these new technoloy and emerging technologies of data in artificial intelligence and cheaper computing, let's see is we can really make a's solution to work well with existing for structure. that's what is. the incentives as to what you can do, there is a reward page. when you look you make points, you could use a chance for gift cards, and our goal is, when we use this for our users, you'll be able to use it for transit passes and use it to call for uber, or scooters if we could integrate this with these interesting services other to
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give people the words they deserve. is that component to this as well to make monetary incentives more and effective. >> was your personal motivation to do this work? was it saving the planet or saving our sanity? congestion in the city or all of the above? >> all of the above certainly. but to put a personal note on it, we are professors and we are always looking to do something new. i think that's whati we do in addition to teaching the next generation of engineers. .... age all
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these exciting and emerging technology as well as the emergence of all these new mobility services altogether to produce a new solution that can . >> like you said a greener planet and lessss congestion. >> we will go to the audience in just a moment buthe first how do you rate the infrastructure and do you see the best way but then you go bike and then there's no bike line and then you for a walk that there is no pedestrian bridge across the highway that impedes the goal.
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>> certainly you are right there is a lot and even though the focus is on thee demand side so man this with the department of transportation the question i got was i like the fact you provide these incentives for congestion and energy use but how much of the budget you put to this to help me reduce congestion by 10 percent? and i said $20 million that's a big number and so look at it
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this way. between one and $2 billion per year to get into the infrastructure to address those issues and it looks like things are getting worse. but they were skeptical they have the right to be skeptical about a new technology like this but that's why exactly why we are focusing on demonstrating the real-world performance of this technology so we benefit from the great partnership and if i could go back with real-world results to show exactly how each dollar technology with congestion and energy use that
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will really help us to make a better impact. >> people complain about traffic congestion here in dc that you should go to china you will feel better. [laughter] nobody has a question? i have one. what is your commute like and how did you get here today quick. >> my typical commute is in maryland i use the l train all the time to make sure there's no problems for the users. this is a great example because if it with the university of maryland we both work so if we carpool we would
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actually get ten dollars per trip with that program. but that is a great program but the other issue is if i use transit then i would be trying to drive per trip with my wife but now we can use the same resources so those who are driving solo too carpool more than that gradually reduces your incentive to get people to choose those modes so today at this event i'm
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proud to say i walked all the way here. [laughter] what about that commute credit you can get quick. >> thankl you for the first question from the audience. in that washington d.c. region at the federal, state, and local levels so we are proud to have a partner like that to have those resources grow. >> a lot of encouraging ideas. thank you. [applause]
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. >> good morning. as mentioned jeff and katie are here not only represent their jurisdiction to add of the three that technically that were in the running for amazon headquarters virginia was one of two jurisdictions that was k the winner of the second and those half of the ad50000 jobs but of course, with
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those 20 finalists that were advocating for their own jurisdictionts there were three parts of dc that represented that montgomery county and also dc so how do you think of those virtues and limitations in particular? and live that infrastructure preparedness quick. >> first it is great to be here to talk about this. we are excited and thrilled for our neighbors in virginia it is a a win and under the leadership we have committed already and what we did last year in preparation is put our heads together with the kinds
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of projects we need to work together on what we have seen is the delivery to raise the capital of the metro system a lot of that work was catalyzed by that conversation so we have other infrastructure projects that has been critical as a part of that conversation to highlight our achievements in that area. >> katie, what about you and. >> thank you for the opportunity to talk abouthe this infrastructure is the name of the game and in arlington county but also the region to
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absorb these 25000 jobs while mitigating the impact to the quality of life one of the reasons we believe to absorb these is we have that infrastructure existing transportation is important city is one of the most transient places on the eastern seaboard also connecting us to our neighbors in alexandria and to the commuter rail. and increasing connectivity so that transportation infrastructure is there is not something we boasted about but we see that increase the 20 percent because of the
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enclosure about a decade ago so we have a private office t ilding a private infrastructure to absorb the first couple ways to provide that redevelopment and opportunities to create those new buildings over the next decade. >> and even before the winner had been announced can you tell me the extent that you were for your own jurisdictions were where you could articulate the interest of your own jurisdiction at the outset from what you were committed to her getting in return quick. >> from a transportation perspective we spend a lot of time highlighting the projects that we had that are in the
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pipeline or currently in developmentev to attract a company like amazon. we have some big projects to be successful in the district currently the largest as the frederick douglass memorial bridge that has a direct connection so these were an opportunity to showcase the work and that connectivity that we were bringing to the region. >> and you have a good sentiment that the officials sought to have a guiding principle and then that conductivity to the region and with that herculean task and
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that was led by arlington county and we have that involvement to be very clear with some pretty wild headlines about tax breaks and incentives that we only wanted very minimal grants directly to amazon to put that in reinvestment ofin crystal city and arlington county and you see that in our package 360 million of investment of arlington and crystal city. so to have that priority we thought to invest in ourselves of a strong committee - - community. >> what about the greatest challenges you anticipated at
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the county level. >> as jeff was mentioning them for that dedicated funding without getting too into the weeds the virginia solution came at a heavy cost and the getting that we funded in alexandria and pedestrian access and facing a significant funding challenge which is critical to the outer jurisdiction so i worry greatly about the future off transit funding and that of those commuter rails we're not
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even a little bit out of the woods demand we continue to think about and that less often talked about with that housing affordability crisis and to make sure we have the policy tools and the capital and to have that low income and frankly just adding enough housing to make sure we can keep up the demand of the workforce in the population. >> the number of them with
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that significant extent of housing so i understand they are coming your way at the state level? and to execute getting it done in time quick. >> for those purposes looking at the region it has been adding about 45000 jobsbe a year for the past decade or so. we are talking in the realm of me be 5 percent so i don't believe that dislocation and alone would drive or should drive but it presents a laser focus on the imperative what it has been or what it needs to be. so to summarize to have
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thousands of housing units and with those existing policies and those investment funds and to say that public financing to be created and all that median income but that challenge with the development without the high cost of land in the region so with this new capital investment from the state. and at the end of the day who are helping to support the
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economy. >> and then to bring that opportunity through those programs going forward. >>. >> and with that infrastructure and with those committed affordable units as a key priority i cannot take credit for it so integrating planningin around transportation through a specific lens for affordable projects that affects the plan there are ways they are complementary
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and that dramatically lowers the need and to be built more cost-effectively. so this is one of the most important of developing housing. so the weight of those goals and affordable housing. >> so amazon says they are not intending for their workers and then moving it to their headquarters in our building housing a lot of it in particular going through ownership and the population of dc in particular has
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increased. it's probably not a given that an increase of population so what do you have planned. >> i should take a step back as reflected in previous panels and to have those new mobility options to complement our overall transit system. so they look at those as a system to get to and from work and other services as well. as has been said we spent ousignificant time and how to make the realth system itself better the manager has proposed operational changes as a way to increase liability and where they feel that sense
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of confidence and with that is bus service currently gdeveloping priority bus lanes to allow for services to move quicker. intoor explorer technology so all of those things combined are part of our strategy and it worked well to support that amazon effort but also things we are focused on has priority for the city. >> so the ridership and the declines in ridership where there is a lack of capacity and in fact, when you measure those entrances and the exits
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it's down from 2009 and we estimate metrorail to bring on about 50 or 70000 more daily trips adding more writers to the system and then with those and then to see a big drop off to help stabilize the operational funding of the system. >> so more specifically even getting down to things like and what was discussed and crystal city.
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and what is the region planning to do to have other forms of transportation? . >> i will say briefly the project we are working on with colleagues in virginia and then with that prospect of commuter rail which is crucial to our region and this was just an opportunity to collaborate. and as to connect in many forms of transportation as possible. >> an' what's exciting that it
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has created a real chance for those that our more aspirational. it is an extraordinary idea and to walk directly to the airport. and then to navigate thatga way. and then to bring route one as a former resident it can feel like crossing the rubicon with that very midcentury idea so the chance to do that will be extraordinary and that business improvement we are
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lot walkable downtown. into that connectivity through the airport and the nuts and bolts for decades which is improving those streetscapes and the visual interest in those commitments will have bigger infrastructure projects for both business tenants and residents and neighbors. >> there is a lot more for audience questions. >> is amazon discouraging people driving and that type
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quick. >> that's a great question. first of all,, great to see but the government and is probably true for the region as well but making it more reliable and the one seat ride is often the answer. we have a lot of experience and the transportation demand. andwi then to know what this looks like when you are
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building a new building like a shower or a bike rack and then of course, and then no matter how well-intentioned they may be but then to walk a mile and a half in the humidity or the cold to do it is unlikely. and with that virginia station and then to give those opportunities and then to get any more granular. and that they don't have to spend the time.
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and then to provide those successful and affordable options. and as much as possible. angina with thee choices. . >> one more quick question. . >> and those plans with the alignment and that opportunity. >>al is that a freight project?
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but if that continues to be through the region and to continue that conversation from a rail perspective but a commercial delivery perspectivemm. >> i do think amazon will provide after communicating renewed focus that is critical for the movement of freight and that virginia express runs on the freightre lines. that is on the track and then eventually realizing those aspirations it is a project that is massive in public and
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private so i know their decision to see some movement on in the last few weeks. with the department of rail and public transportation and the commonwealth. >> thank you. [applause] . . . .
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word was, infrastructure, but is one thing we can all agree on. we can move forward on this. nothing happened. how will things be different in 2019? >> unfortunately, the people that brought in initially, proposed things that the republicans even went, what are you talking about? you're going to privatize all the infrastructure? and somehow magically put more burden on the state. it was ridiculous. that's a change. i think the president really wants to do an infrastructure package. i need his help because we are going to have to do revenues and we will need him to show people that it's okay to do a bit of revenue. my proposal in progress --
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>> what is -- >> and minimus report, the most we can congress -- >> aztec? >> obama would never go this is index, the diesel taxes. i goo into the details. we can project that in bond and we figured out we can bond the point of filling in the whole and adding $17 billion a year for new capacities for resilience, for state of good repair and all the things we need to deal with. i think it's a pretty minutes solution. going to refine the proposal, introduce it and give it to them and hopefully they'll like it. i will propose it. >> has it been raised since 1993. twenty-five years. from the national level but they are doing it.
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>> over 30 states have not done it. there have been no detrimental politicalns complement consequence. a minority leader kevin mccarthy, thought it was a brilliant strategy to keep the california seat internett republicans is repealed the back gas attack. tax. he ran on attempt that gas tax increased and the governor elect of michigan next door, democrat took the roads. people get it, they are tired of being stuck. they are tired of being blown out tires and they know that the cost in terms of delayed deliveries and more wear-and-tear on their vehicles, we've wasted 3.1 billion gallons of fuel. we're wasting 3.1 billion year with people stuck in traffic, wasting time in fuel. people want solutions. >> we are already paying the
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price. >> huge. transportation about $140 billion a year lost productivity, wasted fuel and wear and tear. >> you have to combine with other things. whether have to be budget cuts? borrowing? >> no. well, there would be borrowing but every year we would calculate the income from the prior year. it's not exact. it will depend upon basically fuel economy and construction costs. we would adjust the amount of bonds that are issued each year and we would show that they will be paid for. we are not creating new unpaid for debt, the tax cuts. real investment, real jobs. no new unpaid for debt. >> what would the package look like? would be in it? >> we've got to building resilience for climate change.
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they are new techniques for green infrastructure. we have to bring things up to a state of repair. $100 billion to bring up transit to a state of good repair. if people knew transit options and my proposal would deal with state of good repair and would have more money for new options for people, new partnerships with the state this administration has been very slow. they've created a whole new massive bureaucracy to slowdown transit grants. they just finally, i said, it's going to be my first oversight hearing. lo and behold, they let out a few transit reps. even theev republican appropriateness said, we got the spend the money. the good thing about transit, we have the strongest american requirements in any part of the government. it's not just construction jobs, it's engineering.
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high-tech, manufacturing. it's all those things. >> you mentioned infrastructure more resilient, you have thoughts on the warnings and national climate assessment document? >> on my side of the aisle, this is a real problem. unlike some on the other side of the aisle. there's been controversy over how we deal with it. we deal with it seriously. we can do it through existing committees or a select committee. any of those things will work. we will address it. an infrastructure, we got to look at designs that are both more acceptable at theac beginning, but also resilient to inundation or earthquake, that's a big concern in my part of the country. we are rebuilding and building things to withstand a very significant earthquake. we got to anticipate these wildfires, a whole host of things with climate change thath we have to deal with in terms of
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transportation infrastructure and other forms of infrastructure. buildings and etc. >> speaking of disasters, our infrastructure, it's not a hard hit from hurricanes andom recent earthquakes as you mentioned, in alaska. wildfires then we have a situation with the campfire. in paradise area. what you think infrastructure may have caused that? would you think congress can do to help make sure we do have safer, more modern infrastructure? >> actually, when we passed legislation that reauthorized the federal emergency agency last year, we put a new mandate on them to bash previously, the damage there, okay, here is your money to put it back the way it was.s. >> 1960 -- >> exactly.
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no, we said no, take these other things into account and buildint so we will withstand the next catastrophe. rico with in puerto members and their infrastructure obviously was a disaster. it wasn't good before the hurricane and again, the argument over rebuilding, a bridge that will fail again or build a bridge that can withstand this? the hurricane was soth phenomenl and they won't be that way in the future because of the climate change. the solar farms were wiped out and even things that were supposedly for the futures , to help deal with climate change, they have to be built differently do. >> so what are your thoughts on public private partnerships? how important maybe as we look forward in renewing and improving infrastructure? >> there are certain projects that lend themselves to projects that can create revenue. they are generally limited -- we panel that wasan
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six months. a few years ago. we tend to be partisan than other committees. the solution of the end that went, okay, a little bit. basically, the conclusion was ten -- 12% of infrastructure needs can be met. the other 88 or 90% is going to have to have real investment by the states, local jurisdictions and federal government. it is a tool in the toolbox and it's one that we want to use, as i mentioned, most people don't realize washington parkway the responsibility of the united states park service. the park service which celebrated in centennial, has about seven or $8 billion and people think of parks. my idea with that, to me, looks like governor once for free.
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let's turn it into a p3. let's bring it up to a state of good repair use revenue against every year to do work in the park. there are creative ways to approach three. that people will support. >> your state is trying something creative. there's a little controversy. what about mileage? how about factor in? >> vehicle miles traveled, we are on our third pilot now. this one has multiple options to see if it's more socially acceptable to people. there are some people despite carrying my phone that don't know they are located every second, everyday. they don't want the government to know where they are. the only fair way to dot this s if you're going to do bmp with individuals, wouldnd be with congestion pricing. you shouldn't charge a farmer has to drive 25 miles for feed, because it back up. we're not quite ready to go
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there yet. as i i said, the people there ae happy to have the government where they are. the people in the real., it's like, after you get the gun out of my old hands, then you can take my vehicle. not for much. it's a future, we are going to go there especially as we have more penetration of vehicles that don't use gas or diesel.he we don't need to go there yet because that's a very small perfect percentage of vehicles. we will convert to that in the future but i propose that we have a national bmt private, allowat people to opt in and thn you would get a rebate for, we know how many miles you travel and what kind of vehicle you have, estimated gas tax you would pay. >> if you don't get a package in 2019, campaign hits, does that
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mean no go? does install everything? >> i would hope that we can get this done this year and like i say, article is to have a bill done within six months and get it over to the senate and hopefully the senate can act a little more expeditiously than usual. we'll see. the bill at the white house yesterday, we senate to the senate 18 month ago. >> democrats are willing to do infrastructure. was the president thinking a victory on this? >> he replaces the campaign against the president. infrastructure is the benefit of all the people in the united states of america. democrat, republican, in independent, we don't need that. we can deliver on that, he can't take -- he can take some credit but can't take total credit.
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they control everything and did nothing. they proposed to cut infrastructure. at i wouldas love to just, whats your number one infrastructure priority? if you hadu all the resources yu need it, what would you fix first? >> we need the resources. last bill process any new money allocated will go through existing programs. that's where we will go in the short-term. with a few tweaks. >> meaning? >> we have, when we have long-term bills, we have this split between highways and transit and the fight over policy issues. we wouldn't need to fight over policy issues to do a short-te short-term, large injection that would get usin through october , 2020 when we have a long-term bill. basically, would have a short-term bill which has more funding, a few tweaks to policy and the longer-term bill which
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will be a little more directed in terms of policy and approaching smart infrastructure that can move traffic. many times you said at aig trafc light and no one coming? could you have crowdsourcing and traffic lights are changed when there is no one on the other road? there's a pilot project, i think there's one in nevada and virginia. this way we can do, to make the existing infrastructure. people better while we invest in new infrastructure. >> multistep. identify yourself and gentlemen here. >> provisions do you see in 2020 bill or walking, bicycling and those most? >> you might remember, the last bill, the vast act, the republicans do not want to continue the previous programs
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we had safe routes to school and other dedicated funds. they went into alternate modes and, we managed to preserve all of those and by renaming them and putting them in other places in the bill. i would like to go back to a more honest approach. a more direct approach to the states. we did leave states the option to not do those alternate modes. that's the one compromise we had to do. my state is still fully investing. there are if you like that. we will put the money over here in highways or whatever else. we're going to go back to something more directive. >> all right, more questions. >> i love say first as well. there's a problem in d.c. with kid. everything we were doing, there was a great program. i wrote some of those rats with
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kids in oregon. it was a great program. i want to bring that back. >> the question over here. >> good morning. thank you for being here. could you talk about the funding and i know there's been some talk about marks -- could you address the issue of your marks and upcoming congress? >> the republicans did. i didn't. i proposed a reform of your marks. wrote a service transportation bill that obama killed. i had reformed the earmark process. it wouldre be, congressionally directed investment we think all of the wisdom on how to better serve the people of your district or your state if you are a senator, comes from dot in state dot no. it totally transparent process for people more accountable than
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secretary of transportation or more accountable than the bureaucrats. you might get projects done but they are ignoring it. i think congressionally directed spending in a fully transparent way. the way i reformed it was a you had to submit it online transparently with your name attached. they don't have names attached on that one. secondly, you had to show that you have local support. letters of support, third, it had to be consistent with but not funded by the state transportation improvement plan. fourth, you had to sign an affidavit that you had no interest in the project. i had from more than -- i think over 415 members of congress submitted projects. based on their products ten times greater than what we would fund. so-called yorks were always a small portion of directed
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spending. technically an earmark is something the appropriators do that isn't authorizedat for thas what an earmark is. republicans brought the band everything to a point where we had to do something ridiculous. we needed to make changes that the republicans but i agree one' and they said no, that's in one state. you can't do that. how stupid is that? it was a rule adopted by the republican congress. i'm not -- i don't think we need that rule. >> any further questions? >> chairman proposed a package to improve finances to the highway trust fund thatun includ electrification program to raise revenue. your proposal seems different. old you dot.t. different as chan to help electrify the
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transportation economy? >> well, obviously right now, we've got a deal with stations, availability of charging stations, continue to get people to purchase electric vehicles. so we actually, my region had investment done by a federal agency. they paid for some of the initial electrification. it goes to electrification by incentivizing stops to put in facilities so people can idle their diesel at night. and run their heaters and those sorts of things. they are talking about solar panels on trucks. there's a whole host of things that can be done in the transportation mode that will help facilitate electrification. the grid is not responsibility
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of the committee. i don't have any grand thoughts on that. obama talked about the smart grid.ob i'm not sure how smart it is or what we did for that. i don't know what it did. >> we have time for maybe one more question. >> thank you congressman. i'm wondering, are you making plans to the idea of the infrastructure bank works something we have been talking about for 30 years or more. >> there are those who advocate that as a solution. it's another a tool and probably from my perspective, in terms of transportation, a very minor 12. it makes more sense for water infrastructure, electricity
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grid. things that create revenue. but for most transportation or particularly for transit, i'm not aware of any rail way in the world, that makes money. there are some that say they make money because like in the uk, the government changed the rails and owns the rails they can make money but you have to maintain the rails or get the right away. it's not really applicable. it could be an additional 12 but we got the program. public activity bonds already. it's been very successful and actually makes money for the taxpayer. virtually, very few failed projects. it's not high priority for transportation. it's a much higher priority for other forms of the structure. >> thank you so much for your many insights. thank you for turning us. y [applause]
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please welcome tom, ceo of southern companies. [applause] >> i got a board. >> yes, you got a board. i like, i heard you like to write and draw. >> me ask you, i learned about you, we will have to get into it. you, on your very first time hosting, guest hosting squawk box, your first guest was who? >> the current president, donald trump. >> has that given you a special edge with him over the years? >> no. [laughter] >> let me ask you, the epa, president trump's direction is now announced the resending obamaas era rules and relationsn new coal.
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it's so the company going to rush and build russian" plans? >> we are on a trajectory to change the portfolio of generations in a america. it goes beyond i think were seven company just did. we owned the franchise utiliti utilities. but our competitive generation business has been all the way coast-to-coast. carolinas to california. with the large order of solar america, third or so. because of the wind. we go to fuel sales in a variety of other things. his the thing, we probably should explore how that transition of generations is going to evolve. there's another issue that i would want to draw later. maybe we should do that first. you said that when you get into it, he said by 2050, -- it
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shocked all your friends. >> will look, my predecessors, before i became chairman, i'm in my eighth year, we are about the size, a smaller but about the size from an energy standpoint of australia. a big company. 70% of our energy. now that number is like 26%. gas was single-digit now it's about 50. renewables were zero, now it's about ten. and we areas the last company standing in this wonderful country that is continuing to develop and build new nuclear. that is a national security imperative. we are continuing on that. moreover, it's this kind of evolution of the model. this wonderful hundred-year-old model that this nation has built because technology is evolving,
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customers are requiring it, the whole i idea of the age of big iron is starting to dissipate. what replaces it, i think too many of my, if you so threatening. yet, my view is, as with almost every corporate strategy, plate where you can. in our idea is, not being able to keep it off the beach. how do we influence this new evolution of power generation, make, move and sell ask it's not just generation, dumping solar panels -- thing about my progress in storage and switchgear and every thing else. >> what is the model that works, like it's either in a real way? >> first, the transition of where we will go, is pretty cool. that is largely speaking, the
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age of coal generation has dissipating. i think anybody would say that's where it is. >> are you still on the christmas card list at the white house? >> as a matter of fact, i am. there's a lot we can do. i would argue the energy policy of this administration has been good. energy policy done right in america gives us almost an unassailable advantage in a worldwide competitive economy. i have a big role in the federal. three years. i really enjoyed my time in the institution. if you marry the idea of the bigger economy with energy policy, holy smokes. when we think about the blessings of energy that this
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country has, relative to china, relative to europe and anywt otr of their competitors, if we do this right and well, we will sustain gdp growth, create jobs, make america lives better for so many people. now, when i say that, it isn't just kilowatts and economic impact. when i talk about the imperative behind good energy policy in america today, the g ghost the rubric of claim six, safe, reliable, affordable. for the first time ever, weou sd low to no comment by 2050. how will we do that? is a few things. one, you will see much bigger penetration in renewables. there's somebody from the southeast talking about renewables. are you kidding me? g yet -- >> how does it work on the affordable part? you have don't know for sure, i think southern has the lowest social economic -- >> yes.
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there's a cost -- >> there's a cost in your customers. something like can't afford -- >> 46% make less than $40000 a year. justr can't waste social cost n this. these aret people that day-to-dy worry about making kitchen table economic decisions. how are we going to make our food budget and home budget and education budget. health budget. >> was the innovation model tha- >> here's the thing. that's why you got to play offensive reliable. you got to invest in research development. is the only comedy that still does robust proprietary. research and development. the research and development co-author, the former ceo is not doctor stevens. the biggest funder. we really believe in inventing the future. the idea of our -- the idea that today are out of money, put the money into make the money in the
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future. create the solution. that's what we're doing. it will be improved, renewables, solar and the courses for that. it will bein thinking about gass a transition fuel into the future. a we made a big bet -- >> don't forget to draw pictures. >> i will. this is something different. making a big and natural gas. gas still has come in. when i think about the transition, gas will get this displaced with renewables and of things but we will need gas or some other quick start technology to follow the intermittent issues. meaning, sometimes this entrance, sometimes the wind blows in what youdo do if it doesn't? intense. big, carbon free, reliable, we are building in georgia today it will have a gas equivalent price
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of about 1 dollar. million btu. we talk about the miracle, revolution of tracking and natural gas drilling in america todayy that says $13. -- not just to four, okay. nuclear will be one. no emissions whatsoever. ... you have to do something with the carbon atom. . >> that is a big deal.
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what i am describing right now is the issue of the age of big iron. so let me show you and this is changed. so here is where we are today so that line right there is today right here is the age of iron. the energy we consume as a nation today is driven by nuclear, coal and natural gas the economies of scale are enormous now we will move this
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with technology innovation that this is the reality today. i would use the word distributed infrastructure they mean generation or a fuel cell or something distributed infrastructure expands the notion to the centuries old business model that means micro grants the largest by far in the united states with proprietary storagele technology to create on their own premises and consume within
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their complete control that is where we are today so that this will start to dissipate when you will see the customer requirements completely change the picture that age of big iron will persist. >> with the resilience of the grid? . >> and self consume? i sell you consume that is all the age of big iron?
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but that means something else would happen that is what i call distributed infrastructurere essentially microbe big iron but you have complete control as a consumer to that important infrastructure that never goes away it just diminishes from a ceo or the largest in america making big time investments when you call that creative destruction and i think this is happening i don't know how fast so essentially a making strategy investments that if
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this starts to happen i could influence it. >> i can feel the tension of what you're trying to do so what is driving you hard on this era of deregulation? given the environment you can post on that. >> one of the greatest harbingers there is no imperativepe to innovate. look how good i am. i will draw you another one. here is the pie chart of all of the employees and i would
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argue most of the people of the southern companies and look at the metrics they are damn good they are the highest levels of reliability highest levels of customer satisfaction we were number two among all companies. >> you don't sound like you are from newou jersey. [laughter] . >> these are the revolutionaries why and why not and what if? and if they want to assassinate the revolutionaries? get out of here.
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and trying to celebrate or nurture i knew about one year i went to the corporate shrink who said so get me the top and to lay on the couch and do all this stuff things are good at and he sent me back a list. you have got to be kidding me. he is revolutionary? no way. but in order to fit in with
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these people so we have to tap in and unleash but if you just play defense you will follow that out from that standpoint i will not let that happen. instead of just taking what happens and how to look at that distributed infrastructure and part of the challenges we had many conversations in the past and want you to give a snapshot on
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how vulnerable it is and how worried you are on a scale of one through ten? the electrics of coordinating council and into 16 pieces and now putting together the tri- sector grid and telecom thinking of cyberand physical security don't ever separate those put them together i am not particularlycu concerned and
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not to be cold to sell your butal security numberth that is the existential threat the ability to take down the grid with a lack of confidence to prevent us from talking and to work together to make it doesn't happen that the buzzword is evolving and we heard a little bit about this but the notion of taking away their primary area of focus is reliabilitys under normal conditions with under abnormal conditions hurricane sandy so we are a building within the
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context of the infrastructure all the notions of resilience making us better as a nation my confidence is high today and in the future. but when i say that because you asked me the dumb question is a possible? of course, is it likely? absolutely not we could attack. millions off times a day but that is the china banging away or north korea that moved from that model to the matrix
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millions of times all day as trillions and then to get onto that artificial intelligence and then to have artificial intelligence that's the future except it happens today. i cannot speak with declassified clearance but the united states is fabulous in this regard and i'm always honored to call the patriots the people in this regard in the united states are terrific but i don't know who they are. >> i want to give you a dose of cynicism and optimism.
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>> and the first you are describing and it's a big customer why do i need you why can't i accomplish the same thing? who do you see as your principal t competitors. >> he has thousands and thousands of vendors but our relationship they still need the stuff.
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that is still the stuff necessary to move it within the enterprise in a smarter way. that is much more complicated undertaking than just have google lists some important relationship and then we have a relationship so put the power and run those smart appliances. >> it is a big undertaking :-colon chemical wants to be greatca and if we can take away from them for reliable and affordable energy and we are
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the best people to do it. >> and distributing infrastructure? o i don't see a single competitor and that business of private equity but google has made an effort to get into the space with the idea how you consume energy is more than energy itself. what's that word for people that sell refrigerators? how much do you want public
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through your energy patterns? how do you know, what will be done with that they can estimate your personal income , there is a tremendous wealth of information that's why you have never seen us get in the idea and with that future of infrastructure and with that enthusiasm to talk to the ceo and the ecosystem of innovation not necessarily in your area what did they most need to get right? . >> resilience.
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>> we don't want the power to go out during the super bowl of the day with our way of life and capitalism and policy is central to that. that is most important thing and that is job one. that we have got to keep the lights on. resilience is the most important thing we can do and as a threat to our way of life we have to make that job number one. [applause]
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soon i think you two hours speakers and moderators today you can see surveys on your chairs please pick those. up leslie if you drove or walked or biked i hope you get safely to your next destination have a safe one. [applause]
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. >> a decorah bill. . >> think this out carefully that is a strategy they have learned through many years for the majority bill in the house. the two parties in congress the republicans and democrats
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